It is an honor to have your presence and your concerned comments here at The Wartburg Watch. I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. Im asking God to give you Elders who are friends, and that things go well in your church. Also, someone up the comment ladder was mentioning campus churches where the pastor is only on the big screen. Check it out on our blog as well as http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com. Nor are they necessary for a body of believers to function. This is one of the reasons I ended up ditching the SBC for good. Stetzerwrote an article for Christianity Today about Platt's new position. He and his wife have 7 children. God can better direct a moving object than one that is stationary Its no wonder men want it for themselves; its no wonder so many idealistic, but ambitious and easily-seduced young men are both dazzled by those who find fame and fortune doing it, and want it for themselves. He will receive no salary. I have been hearing from a few folks. (I am not making fun of word studies, I would love love love to have access to a full bells and whistles version of Logos software.) (or is it just me) Like when he says Can't Keep, InsignifiCance, and a face in the Clouds; just a few examples. I will grant you that he spoke at other church in the UAE and other countries during some of those weeks, but the fact is he is paid a salary by the UCCD members to be the senior pastor at their church. We could show them how to have a relationship with God by being preoccupied with that, ourselves separated unto Him. Be Holy, for I am Holy! One of the commenters proceeded to lecture me on how everyone has the same 24 hours in a day and that I was just being lazy on getting my own information. I never really made it past the Introduction in the book 9 Marks of a Healthy Church because he did not include prayer in the 9 Marks. That is a huge plus for the elders there, I imagine. We have all heard the idea that Moses had a speech impediment, since he tells God that he is chevad peh and chevad lashon (Ex. One is an outgrowth of the other. Blogs. The Calvinist are attempting to win a prized stronghold in northern Virginia. Of course, mission should be a function of a healthy church. (1)http://biblehub.com/library/simpson/days_of_heaven_upon_earth_/april_22_christ_is_the.htm Even if he does prep his own sermons . Smyth of Covenant Life Church. Can someone explain to me how you can spend 20-25 hours a week preparing a sermon? What is Jesus gospel? And just in case you think that we are all sitting around on our duffs waiting for the pastor to do something, I want to reassure you that we are doing lots of things. Suffice to say, God desires a cleaned-up people group, where He can dwell in their midst. Im not sure what title is appropriate for the job hell do there (Lecturer? I have long been an advocate of this. Im the face of my department to other groups within the enterprise and I walk a fine line between encouraging people to put all their cards on the table but then subsequently recommending steps these groups should take to keep their particular issue from occurring again. They took me to a new level of understanding Gods Word. Catching a celebrity pastor is the latest craze amongst growing churches with money an whoe leadership is seeking prestige. I think that people are more comfortable with Jesus loves me (a song) than they are with keep my commandments (a direct quote from the mouth of Jesus) and some folks find it easy to play the two off against each other in order to avoid whatever they want to avoid and take advantage of whatever they want to take advantage of. I literally LOLed.. What their job is, without exception, is pastoring a church for expats. They seem to have united around pragmatic Authoritarianism and Complementarianism. Pod People do not need more than a podcast, and are very easy to manage. He said Bill, this is Christs body, broken for you. I have NEVER had anyone do that in communion before. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5R08xDC6c . He also said that my observations of being a church memberin a number of churches would be helpful to pastorsas well. Faithful proclamation of Gods Word is essential, because it is upstream of faith and worship/service. As I recall, that didnt come out too well for them, or for their father. More amazing is members will do so. ), you are neglecting the gathering together of the saints. Pastor X called me by my names tonight when he handed me the bread. Just today he seems to throw a jab at Paige Patterson. This money comes to you tax free, as you (unlike the rest of us Americans who dont have pastor or Reverend in front of our names) do not have to pay federal income tax on that portion. No pastor that is paid full-time could say that and be hired or kept on in a Baptist church. Exactly. If youre a religious figure, you can designate some portion of your income (up to a certain point, please consult with your tax advisor) as compensation for housing. © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. For a variety of reasons, I ended up attending a different fellowship but at that time had nothing bad to say about my experience at McLean. He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. only 1 church in my town would let me hold a musical recital at their facility. We all dry each others tears. You can feel it! Sometimes I think it insults womens intelligence that man cant be a corporate term. I used to belong to Davids former church in Birmingham and it took me several years to figure out what he was doing. We exist for one another, too. Ones talents, skills, personality are all part of that, and you do not have to suddenly come out of your introvert cocoon to become an extrovert Pied Piper. I was thrilled to learn when he left Brook Hills and I personally dont think he should be pastoring anywhere, frankly. Then they purchased the Wildlife Federation building and mega-sized the already mega church. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. Only You, Jesus can show this blind man who looks!, Have Calvinism, Will Stealthy Creep, Perhaps?. And of course to get it embodied, which you can only do with individuals, not in the abstract.-Eugene H. Peterson link. .The idea that the person doing the preaching must be the same person doing the ministering is really born of later parish systems, not the New Testament text. Books. Id love a sabbatical too. Webdoes david platt speech impediment. Whos We? not someone building a career. He recognized this and lived his life and ministry appropriately. I understand what youre saying, but there are few legal resources for church conflict. But we have some in depth sunday school classes. We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. They are the symptoms of diabetes an epidemic in our generation. You have an actual job with many other responsibilities. Their doctrines are like leaven and Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Yes but the issue of him and Calvin being promoters of Valentinian Gnosticism was put to bed a long time ago. Calvinism, it comes from John Calvins Institutes Of The Christian Religion; which is simply regurgitated 4th century Augustinian Gnosticism, a false gospel message. Sort of forcing the choice on the people is what it looks like to me. If hes not getting a salary, why does he need this title. When he was three my son once told a woman in the checkout line that I once threw him like a football. Spy He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Devers viewpoint on this subject. As much as I fault 9Marks, one of the things that Mark Dever got right was a panel discussion at SBTS many years ago about multi-site churches. I dont believe there is invested (maybe you meant vested?) Didnt know why that put Okrapods named instead of TEDSgrad. PHD student. Having grown up in a mainline Protestant denomination, this experience was fabulous. Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? . I would put those other elements that you mentioned at the center, and leave the weekly preach as an option. I had no idea who David Platt was two months ago, until I started listening to his sermons. True enough I thought, but if he really believed the Radical stuff he writes about whats keeping him from pulling up stakes and moving there? I actually did. There was a youth minister a childrens minister and an education Minister. As all were replaced their titles changed with the word pastor not minister. But brother or sister, these nine jobs are biblical, and that is why they are so valuable.. One evening, after communion, my husband was strangely silent when we got in the car. He is doing exactly this! I was really moved. Even using the same example and telling them as if they had happened to him. Why we think the head guru can marriage counsel better than those in the Body who have successfully been married 40 plus years. Platt and his team are also reorganizing the board and the IMB is going through significant change. But what is he doing? Anyway, the sermon was completely delusional. (Make it uncomfortable for them by degrees, so that they sign or leave? This is a network of churches Smyth started while preaching in South Africa and is attempting to expand into the USA, but again, it doesnt appear to me that CLC members are getting an honest days work for the salary they are paying Smyth, but the average member doesnt seem overly concerned about that. The Holy Spirits indwelling Presence IS our witness. You are spot on except for the money. We were rather shocked about his attitude toward pastoring. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. It is true that to have a pastoral relationship, the congregation or ratio needs to be 150:1. As a former member of Brook Hills where David was once my pastor, I am concerned about this. Blogs. Will Its people slump into a false religious quagmire of fifteenth century religious darkness? Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: It seems to me that youre all just looking for the perfect church. He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). If it is only value-added, the world will view us as self-interested and just another organization of created things bent in upon itself. Another reason the SBC is a joke. 7). TEDS, while non-denom, is still owned and funded by the E Free. Well, I think I can see what the problem is here. Cant leave much time for family. Thank you. Also, I think it is wise to say we do things for others because we love them. I dont understand why they want to borrow celebrities. Muff, yes, yeppers, yessiree everything has to be done according to the Bible. Id settle for an acceptable church. They cannot-plain and simple. In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. These pastors faithfully execute the responsibilities of their jobs, but those who so desire can carve out a fairly cushy lifestyle as a pastor. Lost In Space: Gospel Replacement In Progress. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. God will make you into His image in the tent of meeting. His Presence in their midst, is the witness of the Church (being not doing). With a seminary degree???? There is definitely something missing in this entire scenario. I wrote to one FIEC church elder who stocks books by Mahaney and he fobbed me off with I am busy at the moment I will look as time permits and that was over a year ago. 20-25 hours might involve something like translating the passage out of the original language, maybe? It seems to me that youre all just looking for the perfect church. His sermons his weekend gig are dark and uninspiring. I would like to say to all of you. Their national director promoted Thom Rainers miserable article on why pastors should not visit often which explains why the pastoral state of their churches was extremely poor when I attended. Seminary professor. I dont understand the appeal in attending something like that. WebHearing Aid & Speech Issues Explored. This happens at my church too and it is lovely. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?, @ Chris: Webdoes david platt have a speech impediment. Far too many people are looking for a celebrity so they can say "We go to David Platt's church." If one is to fulfill the requirements of love, then it is not enough that God loves us but we must also love God, the first and greatest commandment. @ Jeffrey J Chalmers: I have NEVER had anyone do that in communion before. Bringing out the same exact thoughts / ideas? I dont see a vested authority required in scripture. Im all over the continuum insofar as views go. Look for a church in which the pastor knows your name and will sit by your bedside when you are in the hospital. The things she happened upon sent her down rabbit trails while she was researching Du Bai (sp?) Hopefully I can soon find a way out. tr. Im sure they could help Mr Platt find a fulfilment of his dream. injury or illness that affects your vocal cords. It was an emergency appendectomy, but we got to the hospital fast and it had not ruptured. Free Ride: Please, No Explanations Inside The MBC Church. Apparently this post is getting a lot of play out there. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. Often, they are on the same track, preaching the same series, with a slightly different title for each series. The father. Does everything have to be done according to the Bible? Just suggesting we might try doing things His way if we want them to turn out well. Who would we be seeking after with all our heart, soul, and mind in a worship labeled service. @ Deb: @ Gram3: Law Prof wrote: This gets dicey when one looks at Jesus own descriptions of the judgment, with Himself as the judge, and He spells out what people whom He knows look like in their behavior. The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. He was preaching at this annual thing called The Northern Mens Convention in Manchester although I dont know what the subject was. Or mainly? Thanks for the man/human explanation. @ Todd Wilhelm: Why we think we can somehow be in authority over anyone else spiritually? I could add philosophy of ministry as well. I bought my house and they promptly jacked up what it supposedly was worth. I dont like Platt. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. Its no wonder men want it for themselves; its no wonder so many idealistic, but ambitious and easily-seduced young men are both dazzled by those who find fame and fortune doing it, and want it for themselves. With the IMB and the NAMB and 9Marks and ERLC there, it sure looks like there will be political consolidation in D.C. of what used to be known as the SBC. Im a liberal lefty too, and I think its high time to revamp the tax codes so that the loopholes are closed and that all non-profits (religious or no) must abide by the same rules. Should it come from the pulpit only? The produce being sold includes commercial growers, according to the signs on their pickup trucks. I agree with pretty much all the critique here. In the UK there has been a complete silence from UK church leaders about Mahaney. For what its worth, my spouse and I are part of a home fellowship. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. Couldnt one set up some form of webcast in order to preach_the_gospel in Nepal or anywhere else? I think that Platt has a good point. @ Hope: Church Discipline Were Dones. When I entered the state of the art auditorium, I found myself absorbed in a sea of multiple thousands of attendees at one of the multiple Sunday services. Sorry to be so long winded but it annoys me to no end to see a ministry that I personally experienced turn into something so at least to me foreign to a Biblical standard of fellowship. I dont remember exactly who was there, but I remembered wondering how they could fill their other responsibilities and who was footing the bill. The church needs to be contemporary, right? sign a covenant with! And the person made the lecture about as long to read as David Platt like talking head sermon. They actually have a very limited impact. I cant help but wonder if Lon was pushed out. Best to believe and follow Jesus, rather than in any man. Things are broken all over. I use Word, revelation, and proclamation almost inter-changeably. They are not supposed to be, as they are not supposed to exist. That makes me sad. WebDavid Platt Occupation Hairdresser Born 25th December 1990 Birthplace Weatherfield Residence 8 Coronation Street Father Martin Platt Mother Gail Rodwell Sibling (s) Nick Tilsley (half-brother) Sarah Platt (half-sister) Charlotte Platt (half-sister) Spouse (s) Kylie Turner (2011) Shona Ramsey (2019) Children Lily Platt (2013) Max Turner (legal son) The thing about touchpads is they are sotouchy. Yes, Hug. Its a lie that endures because the congregations think that should be how much time a pastor spends on the sermon. Im afraid Lon wanted out and this was the easy road. Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. well, and they themselves explained the gospel when the occasion demanded. Bet it was said with a disarming smile. Most bakeries by this time will start feeling the cash flow pinch. And no, I do not see in scripture where it says that we all have to be alike. http://www.wadeburleson.org/2017/06/the-southern-baptist-international.html. ___ We need each other to properly interpret scripture the body. David is a gifted speaker and inspiring leader. authority. One hour to download it from a Research Service and trim off the labels, 19-24 hours to play Doom, Sounds like Comrade Napoleon on how the Pigs of the Inner Party have such a hard and lonely task. We do not have to have a man to minister the Word to us from a pulpit on Sundays; teachers yes, pastors (caregivers) yes, administors yes, elders yes, etc. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are exercised in a corporate setting. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MdQINUBlPno As you are well aware, the spiritual life saved, may very well be a personal one. They plan on filling his role with members speaking and an occasional pastor from another related church. 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