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Maybe you should judge what you think based on your own heart and not others. As you pointed out, different people respond so very differently to similar situations.The real Losers in the entire saga are the victims and their familiesI don't know. But again, while Susan was playing ball, Linda was surplus to requirements.and helping her knock Atkins out of the boxThat's the part I really don't believe. As soon as he enters the LaBianca house, ties them up tells them not to worry it is only a robbery he is done. And Ruthann ended up turning out ok- even more of a reason phrases like "Dark to Light" apply- if you have to use them at all.I admit I am a little surprised people will defend Linda Kasabian so fiercely. Both have different conclusions.I don't know what you get from that but I know what I get from that. Manson Mythos saidWhile the attorneys dropped the defense on the ground's they didn't want their clients to commit suicide, Fitzgerald at least voiced the opinion it would have been suicide for Manson as well, as it would have only proven Bugliosi's case rightWhere does he say that and how would it prove suicide for Charlie ? I only decide how I wanna feel. But I rereading my post above I do feel regret. Before I graduated my draft lottery number was 289. How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the group. Thank you very much, Lynn. "It's a different world and it's not even the same ocean." Linda was instructed to go back to the front gate and stand guard while the others went into the residence. She chose to be the way she wasBut not in a vacuum. At the start of the trial he said "In this trial, we will offer evidence of Charles Manson's motives for ordering these seven murders. As opposite the teachings of Christ as one can get.Is Linda a good person? She kept away from media attention except for once when she agreed to do an interview for an American television program A Current Affair in 1988. I will not praise Deb because she is awesome and already knows it.But no mention of LADY DANGEROUS? One either believes it or one doesn't. Early on at least however, Atkins was under the impression that doing whatever Tex told them to do meant "Charlie has instructed, OK'd and ratified this. The failed policies of passive resistance, marching and speeches must give way to the use of violence to bring about social change because the pigs are using violence against us. St Circumstance saidOk- Ill be devils advocate. Where does light fusion into anything with Linda?As far as I'm concerned, every human being has something about them that is positive while at the same time being a container of darkness, regardless of the degree. Over here in Englang, 'moving the goal posts' can mean altering the rules/argument as and when one feels like it. You know, had she said those things during her first trial and got death, then the death penalty was overturned as it was, she'd possibly be out now. After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get outYet the reality is that Bobby Beausoleil, Pat Krenwinkel, Charles Watson, Bruce Davis, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten have all subsequently deviated from the official record. Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me. What she said about Leslie was dynamite. The more I've listened to people that were around and active in that period, the more I've watched and read, the more I can see that there was a wind blowing that caught many in it's slipstream and so many young people with similar upbringings had similar feelings and ended up in many different directions, some exciting and 'positive,' some not.Even some men that fought in Vietnam committed atrocities that they would never have perpetrated elsewhere or in any other situation; neither were there any clues in their upbringings as to some of these things happening. Both maligned by so-called democrats and liberal media with out-of-context quotes. There are so many times when he asks Linda if she has understood the question. As they say, truer words were never spoken. Linda grew up in a broken home where her parents separated and remarried while she was still young. I didn't perceive you as the problem. But so much was made of that in the aftermath of her 2009 revelation by those that thought they'd found Linda's smoking gun, that the facts were not examined and as a result, what is in fact a rather damp squib is felt by some to be the tip of the iceberg of Kasabianesque deception.During her time on the stand, lots of really interesting, but essentially unimportant stuff was brought out by the defence lawyers, Fitzgerald & Kanarek in particular. document.write(part3 + ''); That means a lot. It Gets Charlie off the hook. I'm affected by tragedies of all kinds, even some of the self inflicted ones.Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me.I can see that !But I feel it for a variety of the players in this saga. A Conversation with Johnny Ussery- The Then 7 year old son of Clyda Dulaney! No other reason." Favorite Buglioli line: Manson loved children and animals. We all know that the Saint is a good guy. On August 8, 1969, Linda was selected to drive the killers to the Tate residence because she had the only valid driver's license. Amazing that the defense lawyers never bothered to check on that tidbit during the months and months duration of the trial. So to me even if there is more to the story- the actual motive = the actual reason they went over and killed. But a vote for a real mass murderer like Clinton is the better choice. I'll stop now. Bob Kasabian wanted to go and storm the castle gates to retrieve Tonya but that would have resulted in danger for all 3 Kasabians. Welcome Dreath and thank you. And some members of the killer's families such as Leslie's dad or one of Tex's siblings might have lived for years haunted by what someone they loved was capable of doing.My original point in the above post was just to say that old cliche of being impossible to judge a person or situation unless you walk a mile in their shoes. "I was a half-assed nothing". Linda Kasabian Who Is She: Kasabian was the Family member who eventually turned on the Family. It came up from a variety of sources, some of whom weren't even in the Family. Granted, Dean Moorehouse was the kind of Dad that I'd like to jail for a very long time, notwithstanding acid blitzing his being, but it would appear that Ruth had some things going on within her that weren't vastly different to Linda. Linda and Robert had a daughter named Tanya in 1968. But my days of name calling with strangers are over, and I don't want to take any focus off this amazing first time effort from Dreath.:). Ask yourself: if her story is not accurate why didn't she just tell the truth? In a sense, Helter Skelter and Susan Atkins developed as parallel lines during the investigation. Always was. 2. Susan Denise Atkins aka Sadie Mae Glutz is a former member of the Charles Manson "Family". !GO HOME!!! Her testimony was considered to be the most dramatic segment of the very long trial, and it received an unprecedented amount of news media coverage. So many people make so many arguments about how unfair life has been to them. After the trials, Linda escaped the public eye by going back to New Hampshire. If one of the ones that you obviously wanted {the "reasonable" ones} had been accepted as the one, exactly the same thing could be said.How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the groupAt this point, I always like to say that being an angel is not a guaranteed beautiful thing.Satan's an angel !The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? Does this not happen in many, many court cases ? Because the logical conclusion of your implication is that he was obsessed with "getting" Charles Manson, even to the extent that he would frame an innocent man and see him rot in jail for life. The Last of the Manson Girls, Sharon Tate-The Biography Sharon Tate Book 2011, The Manson File- Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman, Vanity Fair April 2011 interview w/Charlie in Spanish. Talks about how she had to put real strength into stabbing a human because it wasn't like cutting meat. Because the media and Bernie told me so. document.write(part3 + ''); look at there high school pics- they had the same kid of background as me lol. This comment has been removed by the author. But still, nobody is going to argue if you apply terms like bad and evil to Tex. Thank you, orwhut, for lightening the mood. But, again, all good. ITS REALLY TOO BAD!! But is like a badge of honor to people to refuse to give H.S any weight at allAnd it just seems strange to me that nobody is willing to consider it at all, as even a possibility, when all of the actual killers themselves have repeated the validation that it was for over 40 years with the exact same stories, and memories.you can hear the shame, embarrassment, and humiliation in the voice of a sobered up- middle aged Leslie Van Houten as she tries to explain H/S and the "Hole in the Desert" to her parole boards. If I point all these out here I won't have things to post in the future ;-). I would have testified without a deal" translates when the evidence is revealed to 'I'm not talking even if the sky falls (but I will for immunity)". Pat, in Guinn's book, presents herself as not wanting the murders to happen, going so far as to say that the following night at Waverley, before anthing happened with Rosemary, she prayed to God, asking him to make the murders stop and since she went ahead and exercised her own free will in participating in carnage and mutilation and God didn't strike her down and stop her, Leslie or Tex, she's not believed in God since that night.And she has a problem with Linda presenting herself as not being a willing participant.As a side issue, if Linda hadn't been at the car when they arrived at it after Cielo's action, would they have just driven off and left her ? That, of course, rather obviously is directed at Charles Manson. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. All those who oppose us are 'pigs' and to paraphrase a line used in connection with that bastion of capitalism, Wall Street, 'pigs' get eaten.4. They killed the people 'Because Charlie told us to.'" Right off the bat, any person with the capacity for critical thinking should question that. "I am here because I wanted to tell the truth. There have also been a number of stories of the appalling way some care workers have treated the residents so this has also unfairly soured their general image in the minds of many. Those people would of gone unpunished, and were very capable of murdering again, especially Watson. I've long found it significant that not one of the incarcerated has ever come out in the 45+ years and brought out any details of her nefarious involvement that we are not already aware of. Linda gave birth to a daughter Tanya in 1968. His case went like this:"Charles Manson sent out from the fires of hell at Spahn Ranch three heartless, bloodthirsty robots and--unfortunately for him--one human being, the hippie girl Linda Kasabian." They have all said that. document.write(''); I never could figure out a way any of them would have ben acquitted (Thank God!). There wasn't enough room in the car for Cappy to go, so WHY didn't SHE just hitch a ride down to the hamburger stand, slit a throat and steal some fries ? (Inaudible) me screaming. RH: no that's not what I am saying. In a 2009 docu-drama by Cineflex, she elaborated her story for the first time in detail. The involvement of Susan and Gypsy in the Shorty affair has come to light too. If Kasabian was what you are implying here, Nader would be dead and with Clem and Sadie as accomplices, no one would be any the wiser. RH: Maybe like this?1. Everything he did was part of a plan to wage a horrible warDon't get me wrong, I'm not a 3rd Reich admirer or apologist. Dreath saidThat's what makes this incident get a 'don't make no sense' label from meIt made sense to me. var part2 = "mansonblog.com"; Who Is Linda Kasabian? I hope I do that. Linda Kasabian was born Linda Drouin on June 21, 1949 in Biddeford, Maine. I believe her when she says that she was not worried about Tonya's actually being in danger. You are certainly entitled to that because we can't read her mind. [Her statement obviously threw Bugliosi]A. It certainly is not a euphemism for "cute innocent girl that never gets into trouble. Here is a fact: Krenwinkel never said the motive was Helter Skelter. But Linda?? Back then British law was tough. It was through Charles Melton that she came into contact with Catherine Gypsy Share, a member of Manson family. With all the mania going on, Susan's statement of "everything we did from the time he cut the poles to the time we got back to the ranch was spontaneous. She need only repeat his words. She had married a man named Robert Kasabian and given him a daughter with a second child on the way. Strike 1! A second marriage to an Armenian-American hippie named Robert Kasabian, who she met in Boston, followed in 1967. "Journey into Darkness" is a good start. Her most interesting revelation on it came actually during the Watson trial, when HS is not emphasized the way it was in the TLB trial. Strike Two! But neither emerged in a vacuum. Maybe they should have had Kasabian try on the smallest pair of genes. Atkins remembers seeing Pat struggle with Abigail but can't recall the exact sequence of things where she was concerned or how she ended up crawling on the lawn as they were about to leave. Atkins did tell the Grand Jury Sharon was still roped up even though Abigail had escaped her ropes. After that it is Bugliosi, not Kasabian who is testifying. When this second marriage hit the rocks, Linda. Incidentally, it has been well established {by Bugliosi, in his book, well after the trials when there was nothing to gain} that it was Gary Fleishman that pushed for immunity, not Linda Kasabian. Stuff that made her look like everything from a slag to a thief to a patient suffering from some form of mental illness to an unfit Mum to a junkie stealing from her Dad. It was better for him to say nothing at all and deny any knowledge or complicity than it would have been for him to start opening doors and admitting that he'd known what was in the wind. The two split up, but reconnected when Robert invited Linda to come out to California. Later, Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. But when I compare the before with the after in Jay's death, for me there's no comparison.The question is why would Atkins leave Sharon, alive and alone, in the house to take this little stroll?Going to get a knife from Linda, struggling with Frykowski towards the front door, shouting to Tex for helpThere is no one inside. ;) Their are people who will help and motivate you if you seek them just as there are people who will be happy to drag you down if you let them. 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