read the whole Chicago Statement aloud to his cat, Marmalade. On another point, both in Johns writings and Peters writings there are statements of eye-witness testimonies. But if he gets a response in morse, he doesnt need to empirically see whats on the other side to begin the process of knowing the other side. Rule out experience and youre forcing yourself into mysticism. So if you want to write a book that really speaks about accepting uncertainty you have not done so. The Bible (NT and OT) both contain stories of humans having doubt while also trusting God (Elijah, Peter, Thomas, hell, all of them for that matter). In passing, he also makes a very interesting observation about contemporary Protestant theology: "I live in an ecclesial world in which those who value Christian orthodoxy as a concept seem invariably to drift towards either Rome or Constantinople or some amalgamation of the two which is represented by no existing church. Most Evangelicals find themselves on that path when their evidence takes a beating and they retreat to the world of mystery. (2 Peter 3:9), he does not force his love on anyone. This is very simple. In these chapters God fashions "the man" (ha adam) from earth (adamah), breathes life into his nostrils, and makes him a caretaker . Also, your point about eyewitness testimony is inaccurate. Now one can doubt that the man, Peter ever lived, but there are extra-biblical references to him as being the head of the church. But let us then continue this comparison to Buddhism. As is knowledge of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu, and Lord Shiva. In addition, he late dates the Exodus in the mid . . Evidence: The heavens declare the glory of God. It just begs the question, which one? Certainly they are subjective but that does not then mean they cannot be compared. My point is a rather modest one: the question of Gods existence is not settledone way or the otheron the basis of the kind of evidence-based knowledge that modern western culture (rightly) embraces to help us explain many, many things around us. Just trust in Him. "what Genesis says about Adam and the consequences of his actions does not seem to line up with the universal picture that Paul paints in Romans and 1 Corinthians []. Thats why all we need to focus on is the Way; which is your way that youre honestly seeking God. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. I presume you are referring to Islam in your final sentence? In fact, presuming that evidence-based knowledge is the only sure way of knowing anythingworth knowing lies behind both the angst and the sense of certainty many feel about Gods existence or non-existence. So Im not really sure what your point is. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. In Roman Catholicism, Peter is seen as the first vicar of the church and so on. I suspect it is because they are not comfortable with any other way of knowing. I would take as examples of this people such as Jesus and the profound impact on the entire world for the good, that his truth has produced, and by extension, His Apostles and their experience. And now my 800 words are up. Enns-FR.jpg. As is our collaborative aspects of the scientific method. This is why I read your blog, Pete! There are a variety of reasons (speaking myself) that I believe while having doubt and disparaging my trust in God (Jesus) does not solve the dilemma (my own opinion) but creates more problems ( I was not raised Christian either in fact I did not become a Christian until a few years ago). He speaks actively in academic and ecclesiastical venues on topics pertaining the Bible and Christian faith. The more one believes as many as true things as possible about reality and as few of false things as possible about reality enables one to better understand the nature of the challenge, the tools available, and realistic hopes about ground to be gained, next and within the scope of a lifetime. No Muslim ever imposed Islamic law on others by praying 5 times a day. But does anyone really need to write a book to make explicit what every religious person implicitly practices in terms of maintaining their beliefs and holy practices? And what religion, denomination, sect or cult doesnt seek to inculcate a sense of trust and intimacy toward its depictions of God, holy prophets or holy writings? It certainly seems that way as we compare the experiences of people across faiths. So we have an eyewitness account of a historical event in which God reveals His great pleasure in His Son, Jesus Christ. Peter Enns. Or the mega church movement, to try and get and sustain even a greater Jesus high. Were two thousand years in. There is no difference between His Person and His Attributes, and His Attributes should not be differentiated or distinguished from His Person. Forced love . You can although quite innadequately (as with so many other things in life), still put them on the table. One, what does God mean? They explore the potential behind reading the Bible creatively, the dangers of our modernist sense of truth, and the growing desire for . Redemption to a broken world? But lacking a definitive first hand revelation of God and with all of your questions, at what point does one cease asking yet more questions, and perhaps start to view all religions as limited expressions or interpretations of God like prof. of religious philosophy John Hick eventually did after growing up Evangelical? As we give exercise to examples, we often discover these characteristics are more descriptive than prescriptive in their nature. (As ridiculous as it may sound in our context) I was on a run and received a word of prophecy to deliver to an old friend. Can I find a certain kind of longing and hope to possibly be filled even on the Trump Train? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. In other words, I dont believe in God because I see no evidence for God or I believe in God because the evidence proves it are both nonsensical claims for me. Ive spent a lot of time thinking about subjectivity, hermeneutics, revelation, and Jesus as mediator (in the sense that Jesus is the medium through which God is known does the Spirit now occupy that space? I suggest you read Richard Rohr. Your explanation, though a bit slippery to grab with my hands, is similar to some of my conclusions, though none have given me their answer. We struggle with and within the limits of what we can come to know. Enns's methodology seems to be in direct conflict with an understanding of Scripture that affirms one divine author (and therefore one truth), and with a hermeneutic that, for the sake of knowing God and his gospel better, seeks to bring the entire relevant teaching of Scripture to bear on a particular passage.36 This is the reason, it seems . So lets give that a shot. We dont have the tools to give up what makes sense to us without putting up ideological fences and safety nets around everything. When asked, do you believe God exists?, I cant help but response with, what do you mean by God?'. No matter how much you imagine or try. Or Osama bin Ladin or Warren Jeffs for that matter. 1. These failures in relationships (failure to relate, especially failure to love) are far more damaging than our many failures to understand, our sessions of doubt or even our failures to understand how we know. What are you reading good Sir, that I may know too? At best, such persons hopes could make an iron-age reality better. I also would want to point out that the Christian religion has to do with a person named Jesus (as christians we believe this Jesus is still transforming lives and hes on the loose), in other words it is not just a simple have faith or belief The Christian faith is a living trust that Jesus Christ (messiah) will rescue (has will in the future) the world for a global renewal (earth and heaven). What of our spiritual experiences then? People who can conceive N concepts of God seem more adapt at considering the one concept of God of the person who can conceive one concept of God than people who can conceive one concept of God making sense of the N concepts of God of the others schema. Christianity is already becoming irrelevant to the younger millennials. Peter Enns is a very appealing writer evidenced in his The Bible Tells Me So. For the Tibettan Buddhidist, they may experience a vision of the peaceful and wrathful deities. Biblical scholar and author Dr. Peter Enns will be in Lynchburg for a series of "Evolution Weekend" events February 15-16, joining with many other such efforts nationwide under the umbrella of the Clergy Letter Project.. This wont be solved in a blog post, but heres basically where I am with all this believing in God businessin under 800 words. So same with spiritual experiences. At the same time, I was taking philosophy and religion courses and was drawn to finding ways to explain my ongoing relationship/wrestling match with God-Jesus-Spirit. And the crash can be hard, just look at Mother Teresas painful decades long crash after getting high on Jesus in her teen years. 2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; Religious conviction without evidence based knowledge is why there are so many religions, denominations, sects and cults and demonizations of one by the other. But I see no reason to believe that Jesus of Nazareth has been, is, or will be the means of grace or hope of glory. None can fully understand or explain His Being however hard he my try. But when you reach the point where there is little to differentiate between different encounters or transcendent perceptions yielding incompatible truth claims, then you are not just dealing with a measure of uncertainty to be tolerated, but rather a total lack of confidence in whether what you believe corresponds to actual reality. You are presuming that I am naive about other religions. Again, while it takes a God-given faith to believe the substance of Peter and Johns testimonies, are we to take from your article that we should not put trust in the authenticity of their writings? True mystics do experience God in a tangible manner that is more real than anything that could ever be experienced through the five senses although those senses may be secondarily affected. And even ones blindness to this And lAck of understanding the necessity of grAtitude for thAt Is not a barricade to the reality of the creator of ones flesh & spirit. Peter Enns is an American theologian, author, professor, and Biblical scholar. As if chosen by God to tell people who should be a christian based on their concerns regarding the bible. And make sure you bring your oil along with your lamps as the bridegroom is a long time in coming yet always arrives soon. With this, I think wed not only find less conflict but more hope realized. To conclude, I'd like to quote Enns one more time. Thats not to say that understanding the world as-is doesnt matter; it does. Yet since these experiences come across as transcendent many put a higher truth value on them than anything else in life. My point is that we ought to consider seriously the word of an eyewitness, especially when the eye witness is a confirmed historical figure. An Atheist Evolutionist Asks a Good Question of Dr. Peter Enns October 22, 2012 It seems that Young Earth Creationists are not the only ones who find BioLogos' attempt to "reconcile science and faith" lacking. ". (edited with Chris Wlezien). If this is my basis, Im as comfortable (maybe more comfortable) with a Great Spirit of native Americans as I am with a YHWH of Israel. I also think such proper locus can help one find meaning, less in understanding reality and more, in creating or otherwise affecting reality. ), but its also important in a much deeper way. here s something about the bible of the peter enns June 1st, 2020 - think about that the old testament of the new testament writers and of the early church was a translation and an imperfect one at that you d think at key moment of god s self disclosure ten things i hate about church and why i go anyway As we do for so many other experiences and perceptions deeply subjective in nature. To dig down a little deeper theologically, I can deeply understand the paradox of the Incarnation of not only a God-as-man, but in the form of a baby in a manager in Galilee in first-century Palestine. Who said God is a HE? Though I certainly dont want to edge into Edwards post to restate it here. Are we to have doubts that Lincoln actually wrote it there are no living eye-witnesses needless to say. I also visited Westminster Seminary in my early 20s and purchased some books in the store there, caught a glimpse of Cornelius Van Til, and later I exchanged emails with Paul Seely on biblical cosmology, a WTS graduate. As long as the genes replicate, its worked. D. Modl, Archologie zwischen Mur und . God, our creator cannot be perceivable by the five senses for, He is not a thing-which is compound elements etc or created. Because of the differences in interpreting Adam by biblical scholars, Dr. Enns believes that it is unwise to "cling too rigidly to any one approach" (107). Personally, I talk to God, make intercession, and he orchestrates reality beyond the sphere of my influence or capability to manipulate the results. Then here you go! Talk of a vibrant Christian faith seems overblown. Some people really like what I say. The universal and self-evident problem of death. Thanks for this insight. But one alternative is to have a church, mosque, and a Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu temple, close together on every corner with no ones sign larger or higher than the rest, to remind ourselves we can indeed all truly get along. Israelite history; Old Testament and ancient Near East; Old Testament theology; biblical theology; wisdom literature; Second Temple Judaism and the New Testament. He is the Robert S. Harrison Director of the Cornell Center for Social Sciences and Executive Director of the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research. Their experiences of the numinous, or visions or miracles also range far and wide, including the claims of Catholics who see the sun dance, or claim saints cured them or just the saints bones, or the visionary experiences of native Americans, New Agers, UFO abductees (whatever they are experiencing), and wide range of different NDE experiences that dont seem to point in the direction of any one religion being the only true one. And I also can grok the paradoxical Essence of a Triune God, the kind of God allowing himself to be humbled and broken in kenotic sacrifice as an example of a new Way of Being, in hope of bringing forth a Kingdom. And look to see if theyre shared. When a European team of scientists and an American team and a Chinese team run an experiment, the results are consistent. Youre closer than you think. Pete Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is the Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, Pennsylvania, and co-host of The Bible for Normal People podcast. Now to consider these values a bit, we can exercise some examples. I think the fruit are the realities that a religion has caused to create. Our Western universe has given rise to marvelous things (as you mentioned) but it has blinded us to other dimensions of the soul that reveal a much larger reality outside of our ability to reason or carry out prescribed functions. Usually we treat eye-witness testimonies as valid proofs of an experience, especially when they corroborate key elements of the same story (granted one can misinterpret what their senses tell them). It is vitally important that we respond with a yes when He calls, and this is why humility is sooo important. The good news is that those who humble themselves and say yes when He calls do experience Him in an undeniable complete way. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. And for doing it at Westminster Theological Seminary, just as Paul Seely did. http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/01/leaving-ministry-left-ministry-polls.html. There is none for 11 Peter, a writing a majority of critical scholarship places at some point in the 2nd century long after Peters death (Wikipedias page on it is a decent starting point showing the various arguments). Thatjust doesnt work for me. If you ask your typical Tibettan Buddhist monk, deeply committed to this same type of contemplative knowing, to describe their experience they will articulate something akin to everything you describe. contemplative Even today Christians keep founding relatively new and youthful institutions devoted to walling themselves up against questions, like Liberty Christian U, or Tim LaHays Heritage Christian U, or Patrick Henry U, or all the televangelist stations on TV. straight into the night our hearts were flung Those are all things that can be looked at. If only she knew in her lifetime that more than just those nuns was going to be reading her works but many people would be influenced and inspired by her theology. Bringing people together seems easier when their differences are not discussed. And there are child-rearing costs to and constraints concerning size of head vs. size of pelvis. Piper argues that God's judgments are just and shouldn't be questioned. Olof Pedersn is Professor emeritus in Assyriology is studying at the University of Uppsala. Acts of Interpretation features essays by biblical scholars and theologians offering broad reflections on key interpretive issues, rich readings of challenging biblical texts, and interaction with the Christian exegetical tradition from Melito of Sardis to Dietrich Bonhoeffer.The contributors to this volume are leading figures in the theological interpretation of Scripture. Does God exist? One of the things about the Western way of knowing is that it isnt really a Western way of knowing. prof at Westminster Seminary for his progressive evangelicalism, and has not identified himself as a universalist. However, I think you are confusing or conflating the experience of God with the existence of God. Though I do see you headed in the general direction of Frank Schaeffer author of the recent book, Why I am an atheist who still believes in God. If so, they can be dismissed with their faulty foundations, but offered opportunity to reconsider their understandings and emphases to get back in the race. Just dont mistakethis as an argument for Gods existence. Its just where my thinking process is. transrational It was first proposed by the unorthodox church Father, Origen (ca. Basis for my response: 2 Peter 1:15 to 2 Peter 2:2. Edward, you assume that people cant hold doubt while maintaining a vibrant Christian faith that is simply not true. Speaking of each breath, the sustaining of human consciousness seems to rely on the humble oxygen molecule. Sorry for the late reply. And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit But the Bible is not an instruction manual or rule book but a powerful learning tool that nurtures our spiritual growth, argues Bible scholar Peter Enns. To dig down a little deeper theologically, I can deeply understand the paradox of the Incarnation of not only a God-as-man, but in the form of a baby in a manager in Galilee in first century Palestine. Robert Anton Wilson pointed out how many people cling tightly to a single reality tunnel and dont dare to seek all the ways their tunnel overlaps with that of others. And I am not sure about the analogy concerning trusting your wife, unless you wake up everyday lying literally next to a flesh and blood Jesus who literally speaks with you or even makes you breakfast some mornings. In reality you rarely hear about the average Christian,. Of course, it helps that I have absolutely no expectations of him whatsoever. Most people who are not believers are not believers because this side has so much certainty over things that we should not be saying we have so much certainty over. Im familiar with various concepts of God. To me there is a sacred goodness in characteristics of the way and Christianitys wins over the centuries are attributable to this. So its great that God is guiding you and keeping you safe but yet not doing the same for kids with cancer etc. Whatever the proper loci are, watch out. Presume? It seems like deep human contact or contact with God can exist only within the framework of these projects, based on the protocols of the overarching system. Its not utopia but Ill take it. I know others mileage may vary. Thanks Pete! But I also get that Christianity isnt really transforming the world through compassion essentially better than anything or anyone else. . Instead, he needs to go the edge of the realm and scratch against the edges. Peter Eric Enns (born January 2, 1961) is an American Biblical scholar and theologian. Thankfully it is much less today. It is no more Western and modern than the Greek-named constellations are ancient and Greek or the Arabic-named stars are Medieval and Arab. But in the formerit seemssome individuals cannot ask the does God exist? question without deeply wondering about which God?? By Edward Wagenknecht, There is also the Alan Watts definition of the difference between having beliefs and having faith. OT . However, today, philosophers who reject Cartesian or Substance Dualism acknowledge that subjective states like color, pain, and thoughts are objectively real using empirical tools. When a faith fights the fight of certainty of an understanding the world as-is putting iron age as-is foundations against present-day as-is understandings, the battle is already conceded. IMHO knowing God is as relevant as your next breath, I mean, who gave you that breath? But what is your source of the claim that God prefers paradox and mystery? Peter Enns' new book, How the Bible Actually Works, at its best seeks to place us on the hard, but rewarding, path of wisdom. Why do you write books attempting to make more conservative Evangelicals rethink their perspective on the authority of the Bible? He has written numerous books, including The Bible Tells Me So, The Sin of Certainty, and How the Bible Actually Works. " The Bible - from back to front - is the story of God told from the limited point of view of real people living at a certain place and time. Peter K. Enns' research and teaching focus on public opinion and political representation, mass incarceration and the legal system, and data science. There are surely myriad of ways of knowing God In the provIsIons that are avaIlable to each one of us, As one is riding the Starlight Express propelled through time experiencing mAturity, old Age And deAth. The human mind cannot think alone. This is the third post in a series on how God speaks to us in Scripture, following a discussion on what the early church fathers believed about how that process happened and Kenton Sparks' adoptionist proposal of a sacred "broken" Bible.. Here in this comment thread, we havent really talked about the latter. . 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